March 10, 2026

Be your own self empowerment coach.

Be your own self empowerment coach.
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Marc Papillon has written a wonderful book  - No Right to Fail -  which really is a must read for everyone no matter where you are in life. He knows branding after a brilliant career helping Fortune 50 companies build strong brands you all would know.  He has tried and true tips and guidance on how to empower yourself to be your very best.

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Well, hello this morning, Hello today. I'm glad that you're

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able to join me for the next edition of Next.

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Really, one of the reasons I started this show is

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everybody has a Next, And it really started because I

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was looking at people a little older and maybe finishing

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their major career and thinking about what's next for me.

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And there's so many talented people out there, and there's

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so many people that have so much.

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To offer life society.

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Beyond just saying well, I made my major career and

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now I'm retired, I'm also finding out and the show

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is going to expand to this as well, that there

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are a lot of people in their fifties that are

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in certain jobs and they feel stuck, and people need

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to think about what's next and get rid of rid

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of the fear to execute and move forward with something

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next that may be more exciting frightening, but something that

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builds them to their next life level and carries them forward.

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And that goes for kids in school. I mentored students

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at the Cameron School of Business at UNCW, which is

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a University of North Carolina Wilmington, and they're thinking about

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next all the time and are unclear about it, which

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brings me to my next guest, Mark Papillon. Mark is

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who I met. It lives in my community and who

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I met actually as a mentor at the Cameron School

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of Business, although I knew him before. But he is

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really an spectacular individual and he's a perfect example who's

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someone who is next. And he has started the No

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Right to Fail book and series and educational program which

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is a virtual hug for students and for self empowerment.

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I really think it fits a lot for almost everybody

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somewhere in their life where they need a virtual hug.

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You know, Mark is such an interesting person because he

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English is not his first language. He had to come

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here and learn English. He's a native French speaker. He

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was in sales for most of his career for Johnson

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and Johnson, and then he had a passion for helping

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others be successful. And you're going to hear that and

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see that in what he's done. He and I are

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both mentors, as I mentioned before at the Cameron School

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of Business, which speaks a lot because you're giving back

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all the time. But then you put your heart and

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soul into this new project, no right to fail as

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a virtual hug. So tell me about it. How did

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you get started on it? Would Why did this become

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a passion for you?

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Mark?

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Well, it starts slowly, and it starts with inspirations. You know,

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when I retired, I was very conscious that I was well,

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I should say my first retirement. When I retired early

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at fifty five, I was very conscious that I needed

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to do something bigger for the rest of my life.

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It wasn't just getting comfortable, although I could have, but

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that was not the intent. And I started reflecting on

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my career. But the one one big insight that came

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up is I've been mentoring students and young executives for

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the past twenty years and my wife one day said

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to me, Mark, every time you mentor somebody, they get

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a job.

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And wow, that's pretty good.

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Yeah, And it kind of stuck with me a little

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bit because I never saw at that time what I

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did is being extraordinary. I just started as being very intuitive,

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and you know, the intuition felt like this is the

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right thing to do. Nobody's really talking about it because

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we always kind of looked at shaking hands and soft

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skills as being something that everybody should do. Everybody does,

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and then I suddenly realized that it wasn't like that.

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Now you're right, you know.

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And the other thing, the other thing that kind of

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spurred me on is a big part of my life.

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People would tell me I was lucky, and I don't

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want to. I don't want to discount the fact that

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I was very fortunate in my life. But lucky did

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never resonated with me because lucky implied that I didn't

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have anything to do with the success, and I felt.

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I just want an interruption there for one quick second.

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No luck is where opportunity meets preparation and somebody grabs.

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It so well. The book talk We had to do.

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You with You yes, go ahead, Mark, And.

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The book talks about that because you know that we

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used to call the word luck. Now we call it

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unforeseen opportunities because we bring we bring luck to ourselves

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if we do the right things, if we work hard,

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if we surround ourselves to people that are smarter than

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we are.

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Uh.

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And by the way, that was always my motto. Every

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time I hired somebody, I would tell them, look, I'm

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hiring you smart because you're a lot smarter than I am,

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because I need a job done around here, and I can't.

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I can't do all these things because I don't have

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the qualification all these good statement. Well, yeah, exactly, exactly.

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So so that was that was the kind of the

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second inspiration. The third one is I I was being recruited.

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I was trying to find my way into how I

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volunteer and give back to the community. And I was

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being recruited a lot by a lot of organizations. And

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by the way, most of those are very very well

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meaning organizations. But I've got a little, a little stubborn

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edge to myself, and I don't exactly and I don't

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want to be fully scripted, and and and the reason

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I didn't want to be fully scripted. Was not out

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of arrogance, is the fact that I felt I had

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a big message to to send and I did not

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want it to be diluted or or derailed. And incidentally,

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you know, as we talk about this today, I'm giving

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back and the book and the program is free of charge,

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not because I'm I'm a saint here, but because I

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didn't want to dilute my own voice by putting an

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agenda on it. And and the minute, you know, the

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minute you put a dollar or a price on something,

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you you derail your agenda very quickly because people start

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to wonder why you're doing something.

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Yeah.

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Interesting, So so this is kind of where where where

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the backgrounds inspiraated? Uh, it was the inspiration came and

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and then the mentoring of students is something very very rewarding.

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And I'm owning my space, which is really really an

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interesting place for me to be right now.

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Yeah, you've it's taken off. So tell me about the book,

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No Right to Fail?

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What what can people expect when they get the book

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and when they get the program? And you know, how

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are you spreading Well, let's make it two parts. Tell

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us about the book and the program and then tell

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us about how you're spreading it, because I know it's

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taking off in certain places.

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So yeah, well you know the whole the whole thing

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about No Right to Fail is I call it a

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virtual hug for self empowerment.

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I love that.

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And I think the first thing people will notice when

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they see the book if I always tell people, look,

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I'm not trying to win a Nobel Peace Prize on it.

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I'm trying to communicate a message. So when you read it,

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I think people would be would be surprised to see

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how simple the language is in the book. And mainly

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that's the audience I'm trying to reach, right, I'm trying

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to reach a young audience of juniors and seniors in

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high school, and we'll talk.

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We need simple too.

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But I also have a collateral audience that's really rising

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fast about people needing second chance. But what I like

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to say is, I'm very proud to say that it's

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a big idea in simple language. It's not, you know,

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voluminous with a lot of words, a lot of pages,

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a lot of chapters, but it's very much to the point.

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But I have a core belief two core beliefs, right,

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one is that everybody can be successful everybody. I mean,

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I mean that, and nobody is born on the wrong

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side of the tracks. And the only reason some people

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are born on the wrong side of the tracks is

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there's sometimes there's no one there to tell them that

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they have it within themselves to get on the right

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side of the tracks.

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Yeah, great point, great insight.

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And so that's where the virtual hug comes in, right.

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Uh.

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The virtual hug comes in in giving a confidence to

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people that they don't have to be the next guy

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launching the NASA rocket. They just have to be themselves.

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And if they adopt I've got like nine steps in

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this book, and I virtually would tell anyone that they

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they do those nine steps, they will be at least

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middle class in this culture, or maybe even more, they'll

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be an entrepreneur. And it's not it's not hard, but

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it is difficult because it doesn't imply lack of commitment.

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You know, you have to work hard and you have

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to be committed to this, and you know easy and

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then and I'm getting into tangents here, and I don't

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want to get ahead too much, but you know, we

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live in a society of mirages today, and what I

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mean by mirages is we have technology at our fingertips.

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We can send one hundred resumes, you know, in a

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half hour. Well, and then I talk to students all

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the time and they get upset when they don't get

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a reply. Well, they didn't put any more thought into

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it and pushing the send button than the people read, right,

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So they expect the person will reply when they're just

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pushing send on their end. In the old days, we

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used to have to write a letter to each candidate.

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Right, and you didn't have a you didn't have an

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AI up thing that could do that for you.

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Yeah. And oh, by the way, I tell the students,

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you know, if they think they're smart AI, I can

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I can sniff out an AI resume and two shy?

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Can you really interesting? Interesting? Wow? That's a that's a

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there's an article right there, Mark.

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Yeah. Well, I always tell the students that what I

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want them to do in their letters and resumes. I

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don't want them to be grammatically or spelling incorrect, but

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I do want them to be a little quirky. And

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I don't mean quirky in a bad way, in a

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cute way. Because all the AI bots out there are

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are throwing out resumes that don't look authentic. Yeah, so

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if you put a bit a little bit of authenticity

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of who you are in that writing, it kind of

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beats the algorithms a little bit.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, Well it's tough to do, I think, but that's

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a good point.

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So so tell me, so, how did you write the book?

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Tell me about the book and what what what how

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you wrote it and and sort of the I expand

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a little bit more on the why behind.

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Yeah, well the why is, you know, and my quest

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wanted to give back. I was searching for my space

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and I'm going to say thank you COVID, probably one

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of the few people that's gonna say thank you COVID

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for one thing. Here is, prior to COVID, I decided

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to pay back in my own county and I worked

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probably one hundred hours plus on this presentation and I

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was starting to present it to schools and things around

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my own area of Brunswick County, and I was starting

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to get some traction, very small traction, and I have

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to say candidly it wasn't as good as it is

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today because I've had a lot of time to think

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about it, put the book together. Then COVID came and

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we all got locked out.

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Yeah.

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Right, So now I'm sitting here with a presentation, and

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I'm sitting here with a big idea, and I have

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nowhere to go. I mean, I'm stuck in my house.

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I've spent all this time and one thing about me

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people know about me is I'm a little bit restless

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and a little bit of perfectionist. Is Like, I'm not

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going to sit here with this presentation. I said to

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my wife. This is much a much bigger idea than

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just a local idea. It's a national idea, right, So

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I'm gonna write a book. So so basically I've got

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six years into this book writing and rewriting. And the

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one thing I like to brag about is while it's

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while it's free, it's it's been done with the same

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the same emphasis as if it was done to sell.

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I've hired a copyright attorney, I've hired a top website,

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media design firm, social media firm. So I've got all

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the professional backup behind me, and I've took five or

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six years to really put product a product together that

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I could probably sell nationally, and now I'm starting to

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have conversation around the country, and it's really really rewarding

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because now I'm seeing the effort come through.

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But I stuck with it. It's an excellent piece of work.

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It's an excellent piece of work. I enjoyed reading through it,

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and I also would not sell it short from the

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point of view of I think it can help a

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lot of people, not just younger people, because I think,

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like I said, there's a lot of people looking for

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and needing, you know, that inspiration and needing that virtual hug.

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Loneliness is a big factor in today's society, a big,

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big factor.

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I was just gonna say, Marjohn can only go so far.

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Yeah, exactly. Well, you know, I always tell people I'm

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a student every day, and I'm a studient in this book.

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And part of what I'm learning right now is is

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I had it to a target audience of young people,

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but I'm starting to get people from organizations of people

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that are underserved and need a second.

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I loved that, Like, what kind of people that you're

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finding that need a second chance?

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I heard you say that, and I'm just loving that perspective.

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Well, there's people out there that you know that are

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in their thirties that have made wrong choices in their life.

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They might have served a little time, they might have

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been to rehab, they might have and I never realized

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that initially, But they're coming out to me and saying

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this can be applicable. And what I'm realizing and those

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people is while they are in age maybe thirty thirty five,

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they've lost ten years of their lives in it and

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now they're really back where somebody in college is at

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and trying to figure it out because many of them

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want to change their lives right. And there's organizations out

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there that are really trying to give these people the tools.

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They're trying to create job opportunities, but nobody's talking about

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the intuitive things that need to happen for people to

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be successful. That's where I hope I can commit.

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So have you done any talks with those individuals or

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with groups or with organizations that are trying to help

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those people, because I do think that there's a huge

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population out there.

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Yes, In fact, I had I think even.

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Beyond thirty five. You know, there are a lot of

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people that are lost.

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Well, that's true. I mean I probably have to uh

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to figure out how to reach out when I get

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to people that get to be my age, but maybe

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they could teach me a few things at that point.

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But your question, yes, I have. I have had conversations.

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I've had conversations around around the country, mainly in the

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eastern part of the country right now. But it's it's

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spreading slowly.

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UH.

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Organizations to deal with inmates coming.

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Out of.

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Jails, you know, broadcast venders and things like that, people

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that are really homeless and are being picked up by

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organizations to really, really hopefully change their lives. And one

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thing you have to say when you get into these

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philanthropy things is that you know, you their hope is

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always to change everyone. But here's the reality. The reality

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is you're gonna you're going to have you know, third

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of those people that are already there, they're already gonna

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change their lives. But there's a whole middle maybe thirty,

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forty fifty percent, whatever that number is.

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Yes, they need that virtual huk, right and the inspiration.

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Once you give them that, they will thrive. And then

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you've got twenty to thirty percent of the people that

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you know, it's it's going to be difficult for them,

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and we still want to reach them. So you take

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as big of a bite as you can and then

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you reach as many people as you can possibly do

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and feel good about it.

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Yeah, So who's reaching?

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I know that you have expanded your your reach and

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I know that you're you know you have said that

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a lot of other people are reaching.

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So who is reaching out to you? Now?

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Well, it's it's it's a little bit of both. One

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is I've you know, as a retired sales guy, I'm

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I'm gonna do a pretty good job applying with what

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I'm preaching out there. I'm going out there and trying

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to drum the trees. But word of mouth is starting

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to be very important. I've had a phone call from

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from Ohio the other day and Raleigh, I've got I've

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got contacts in California right now.

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And I hate to say this, but some of those

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are so easy to get. You just end up somewhere

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getting your car fixed, and you're talking to someone and

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you ask them where they're from and what they do,

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and many times you get a connection and all of

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a sudden you're on the email I have a publisher

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in Minneapolis that contacted me. They write children's book.

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Oh well, very cool, and.

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There's a there's a message there that they they're they're

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trying to reach a whole audience, in reaching children probably

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younger than my audience. But there's a synergy here of

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ideas that we can share with each other. So you

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know where we can join forces, perhaps in doing something bigger.

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So I'm having a I have a philanthropist in the

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Midwest here. It's a very very wealthy philanthropist who reached

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out to me and she was having lunch with a

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friend of mine and she all of a sudden she said,

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you know, wow, let me talk to him. So we're

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having a very productive conversation.

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So so if somebody reaches out to you, what do

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they get. I know, you have the book and you

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have tell me about the package that you deliver to

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people and the role that you personally play with it.

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Well, first of all, the role is I'm I'm new

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and I'm a very small show, so I'm very nimble,

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so that it makes it easy. But really the whole

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program starts with the book, right. The book is the

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center of activity. The book can survive on its own. Now,

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when you're dealing with schools, you have to offer more

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than just a book. So I've got a teaching guide,

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I've got a curriculum I've got so I can I

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can adjust it if somebody just wants to give a passive,

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you know, career day book. It's there. But the idea

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behind this really is to create a whole curriculum behind it,

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where there's a program and each of the chapter can

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be a forty minute session, so over over six weeks

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they can address this.

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Right, has u NCW picked it up as you know,

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something even for their students or for in their education

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department as they're teaching teachers.

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Well, one of the things that's happening with teaching institutions

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and schools and particularly high schools as well, is their

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lead time is longer. So yes, UNCO is looking at it,

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but it's a longer term thing because it's almost like

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a queue, right, And you've got a state with a

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lot of mandates and requirements that that have to be

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fulfilled first. But I will tell you that I'm getting

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a very very high level of interest. I've got a

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charter school I talked to, I have a college high

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school that they're a pre college or whatever they call it, right,

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pre university high school. And those people are very interested.

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So so Mark, tell me, what are the three to

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five messages that come out of this book and this

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program to people that you want people to that you're

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trying to emphasize in this.

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Well, the first message is simple, right, people have to

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whenever I hear the word victim, I hear somebody putting

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a stop sign to their progress, oh great point, Love,

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you got to shove. You gotta shut victimhood first and foremost.

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And it may be hard to do it because we

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have a news cycle that doesn't report what happens on

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main street. It reports what happens nationally. Well, political change

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is a noble thing, but it takes decades. Personal change

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can occur immediately. So shutting the victimhood. And this is

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not a political message right left, it's it's it's for everybody.

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It's a people message.

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It's a people message. We all have to be leaders

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in our communities and we cannot be victims. If we

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are a victim, we are you know the word can't

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I want. That's the first message. The second message is

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every one of us everybody. We have the tools to

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make good decisions, and we have the tools to forgive

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ourselves and love that. So nobody is lost, right, You're

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only lost in the future. You're not lost in the past.

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The past is a learning lesson, so when you move

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to the future, you take those lessons positively. Wherever your

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past was at, I mean, you know, I mean, we

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all have things in our closet. I mean, I was

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bullied in school. I didn't speak English till I was

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thirteen years old. We have those issues, but it doesn't matter.

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Let's move forward. And the third one is to stay

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committed and not acquire mentors. And mentors is everybody. Mentors

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is a guy in a grocery store. Next time you're

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in a grocery store and you're on your phone, you're

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losing an opportunity to engage somebody behind you that could give.

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You a job.

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That's very good, very good.

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Yeah, you got to be on a street somewhere and

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you see somebody on the corner of the street and

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they're smiling at you, say how are you today?

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Yeah, you don't know.

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You you go buy something in a store, I mean

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I was buying yogurt the other day with my wife,

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and of course I'm trained to do this. I mean,

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you know, who are you? Where are you from? You know,

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and they'll say, well, I'm from so said, well, geez,

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I have relatives over.

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There right, that connection, that connection, and there's always there.

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It's always there there right to me.

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If you ask those two questions, fifty percent of the

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time you'll feel, you'll feel something, and then you have

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to stay with it every day. I have a contract

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as part of the book. It's called self Empowerment contract

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where you can do it privately and not share with anybody.

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And that's okay, but I strongly suggest you do with

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a witness where you commit yourself to some tenets of

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what you'll do in your life to be successful. And

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that's the takeaways really, it's it's to be self empowered

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to stay with it. I have something called the success

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orbitool model. It's just kind of a circular models. It's

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called hard work, mentors, and unforeseen opportunities quote unquote luck. Right,

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if you get in on that wheel and you stay

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on that wheel, it'll accelerate on you.

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Yeah, that's wonderful.

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You can't work hard without mentors. Let's talk about jobs.

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You know, whenever I see a valet in a hotel

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or I see somebody flipping burgers, I think highly of them.

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You know why they're they're out there learning something and

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they're getting paid for it. Right, So these job is

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too little, right, I mean, if you start, if you

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start working in a restaurant, one day, you could own

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a restaurant.

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That's a beautiful thought, really.

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I mean because people I don't know have been a

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culturated or whatever to look down at sort of what

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quote unquote society calls menial jobs, and it's not at all.

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They're they're moving through things, they're learning things, and you know,

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to talk to them and to learn about them is.

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Really a gift. Mark, that's a that's a gift. Now

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do you have a mentor? Now?

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Oh my god, yeah, I have. I have three or

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four mentors. I unfortunately at my age, I lost. I

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lost a couple of them in the past three four years,

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and one of my had over forty years. Listen, mentors

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are not all there. I have mentors that are very educated,

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very smart, they've been through life. But I have mentors

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that were just people like you and me that have worked.

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You know, my one of my best mentor was a

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guy who is who had delivered drove a truck all

478
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his life. He was he was thirty five years older

479
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than me. And guess what I would you know, I

480
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would sit on his front porch for two hours.

481
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Wow.

482
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And what that man did for me. He gave me

483
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all the tools of self confidence.

484
00:25:53.799 --> 00:25:56.160
Yeah. I bet he had stories to beat the band.

485
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Well, he had stories. And I was twenty years old

486
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at the time. And you say he would talk like

487
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the street, right, buddy. I'm still proud of you, buddy.

488
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He doesn't even know how powerful he was.

489
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Yeah, that's interesting.

490
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And he's a mentor.

491
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You know.

492
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I have a lady out in Florida right now.

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Her and I were.

494
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I used to big sit her kids years ago and

495
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we sat in her kitchen sometimes for nights at a time.

496
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She just turned ninety nine years old. I'm gonna go

497
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visit Melton.

498
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You know. Wow, that's great.

499
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Yeah, she still drives every day.

500
00:26:29.799 --> 00:26:31.359
WHOA, Well that's great too.

501
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In my professional life, I have a bunch of mentors

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in between two.

503
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So yeah, I have a lot of mentors, very very

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very important.

505
00:26:40.359 --> 00:26:44.319
So one final word for people, Mark, how does somebody

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go about getting themselves a mentor opening themselves up to mentors.

507
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Well, first of all, there's two ways to do it right.

508
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What is you have to be aware and always be

509
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I call people if they are the main actor in

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the player their lives.

511
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Oh, I love that.

512
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And what that means is if you went to a

513
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Shakespeare play and they showed up on stage and jeans,

514
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they wouldn't look too authentic. Right, So you have to

515
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project yourself to who you want to be. And everybody

516
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can be a mentor. You just have to seek them out.

517
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And then sometimes you do it formally. You'll go on LinkedIn,

518
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for example, and you'll see someone on your profile, or

519
00:27:22.519 --> 00:27:24.519
you reached out to a friend of your dad or

520
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a friend of your mom or a friend of yours.

521
00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:29.880
They own a company, why not invite them and say, Hey,

522
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I'd like to buy you coffee, I'd like to pick

523
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your brain for a half hour.

524
00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:33.599
Nice.

525
00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:39.279
So the word mentor sounds complicated, but they're all around us.

526
00:27:39.640 --> 00:27:43.119
Yeah, they are all around us. That's really you're you're

527
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a mentor and listen to you.

528
00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:48.519
Well, I don't know that i'd always listen to tell

529
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you the truth, but yes, I have been a mentor

530
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and I've developed mentor programs for lots of big companies

531
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and lots of big CEOs and stuff.

532
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But it makes a difference. There is no two ways

533
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about it.

534
00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:05.160
How if not if people listening to this show, how

535
00:28:05.240 --> 00:28:06.319
do they get a hold of you?

536
00:28:06.920 --> 00:28:09.880
How do they get your materials? How do they get you?

537
00:28:10.200 --> 00:28:13.440
Because I think you're kind of the oh the excitement

538
00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:16.200
around this program? How do they get you to come

539
00:28:16.839 --> 00:28:20.079
and participate in their school district or with students or

540
00:28:20.160 --> 00:28:21.000
with college students.

541
00:28:21.279 --> 00:28:22.480
How do people get a hold of you?

542
00:28:22.759 --> 00:28:24.640
Yeah, I have no lack of energy. I always tell

543
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people I get paid by adding value and having fun.

544
00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:29.839
So there's a lot of rantagy there. But to answer

545
00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:32.160
your question is they can reach out to me on

546
00:28:32.279 --> 00:28:36.000
my website. It's www dot no Right to Fail dot com.

547
00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:39.519
And if they just contact me on there, I assure

548
00:28:39.559 --> 00:28:41.559
them they will get a personal reply from me.

549
00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:42.640
Excellent.

550
00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:45.960
And then what I do, because the material is free,

551
00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:50.000
it's also limited because I want to protect the property

552
00:28:50.039 --> 00:28:52.960
and the intellectual property on there. I want to protect

553
00:28:53.119 --> 00:28:54.920
the material to make sure that it goes to the

554
00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:57.480
right people. So if they just go on the website,

555
00:28:58.240 --> 00:29:00.480
they can get all the material free. All they have

556
00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:02.640
to do is just contact me or sign up as

557
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:05.119
a subscriber. I don't sell the information. I don't give

558
00:29:05.160 --> 00:29:08.880
it away to anybody. The ebook is free and they'll

559
00:29:08.920 --> 00:29:10.920
have it almost instantly if you reach out to me.

560
00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:16.359
Wow, that's great. So it's www dot no Right to

561
00:29:16.519 --> 00:29:17.920
Fail dot com.

562
00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:20.440
Yeah, and I also have an email address which is

563
00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:22.160
no Right to Fail at gmail dot com.

564
00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:24.920
At gmail dot com. Mark, thank you, I mean you

565
00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:28.039
are an inspiration. We have been neighbors and we're on

566
00:29:28.200 --> 00:29:31.920
the Cameon Business School mentor program together. I think we're

567
00:29:31.960 --> 00:29:36.200
going up to something on March tenth up there with

568
00:29:36.359 --> 00:29:38.839
a bunch of students. So thank you so much for

569
00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:41.000
coming on the show and I really appreciate it. And

570
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:46.359
good luck and money. One final little piece about Mark.

571
00:29:46.400 --> 00:29:49.319
He is a world traveler as I love to travel too,

572
00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:53.160
so we can have conversations for hours on really great

573
00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:54.720
places that we've been in the world.

574
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It's a nice and refreshing thing. So thank you very much, Mark.

575
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Thank you, thank you so much. It's a pleasure to

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be here.

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Okay, bye, everybody, see you next week nine o'clock Eastern time,

578
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and look forward to you tuning into the next chapter

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of next Bye.