Dec. 30, 2025
Regeneration
My guest is Captain David Gallimore. He is a renowned expert. Who helps others transform. He helps you look at your life to shed what no longer serves you. He walks you through reframing to enable you to build a life that brings joy and happiness. Come join the discussion. It will really help you think about and create next steps that work for you.
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Well join in for our show of Next. And one
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of the reasons I decided to call it next is
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because everyone has a next, no matter what age you are.
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But in particular, I'm focusing on people who at the
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moment may be in a different stage in their life
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and in their career, and what from their perspective is
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making the remainder of their professional life and personal life
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a great next for them. And I think that there
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are some amazing things that people are doing out there.
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And somebody said to me yesterday when I was chatting
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with them, well, you know, you get gray hair. Women
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have a way to deal with that, but you get
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gray hair and companies are not necessarily always interested in
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keeping you on or promoting you to a next position.
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And you know, you know personally that you have a
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lot more to give. And my guest today is David Gallimore.
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If it's a fascinating man, he's boat captain. He recreated
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himself a number of times and has a fabulous consulting
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practice around leadership. He worked for Boeing in cap Gemini
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before he embarked on this new fantastic career, really focusing
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around developing great leaders. And I have a philosophy I
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suspect David does too, that no great ship is run
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without great leaders, no matter where they are in the organization,
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and they may not necessarily be in the top of
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the house. But we shall see, we shall see through
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all these discussions with fascinating people who have regenerated. I
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believe that's David's term, regenerated and recreated themselves many times
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over for a happy, you're, more purposeful, and more productive life.
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So let me introduce David Gyallmore. Hey, captain, how are
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you well? You I'm good and you look pretty snappy there,
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and you know, on the West coast and I'm on
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the East coast. So that's how good technology is today.
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So good to be here with you in Happy holidays
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to you and your family.
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Yeah, same, same to you, same to you. Are you
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ready for the holidays?
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Oh?
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Absolutely yeah, I think thankfully. We're going to keep it
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simple and the spirit of regeneration. We're just going to
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kind of winter.
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Right winter beautiful, beautifully said. So tell me, David, give
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me the cliff notes on what got you to regeneration.
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Linda, this has been, as you said in your kind introductions,
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thank you for that a journey and to be completely transparent.
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I think I'm still just kind of in the first
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few tacks using salor language along this journey that thank
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you me too. It's my happy place. I would say
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that the catalyst for regeneration really started when I met
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and married Margaret, who was a clinket in Teal Tan
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Native American born and raised in southeast Alaska. And she
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was already a diehard recycler, which I was, and I
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thought that that was sufficient, but she took it way
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way beyond and organic before organic produce was a thing.
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And I think as a child.
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Of parents who didn't have much and my parents who
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were raised in the depression and then the war, we
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were very frugal. And so this idea of regeneration, you know,
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aligned with the logic of life, the seasons of nature,
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and where are their opportunities in my own life to
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go spring? I can summerlike into my career and my job.
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And I was.
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I was successful as an executive program manager developing different
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businesses for IBM and Boeing and cap Gemini. But learned
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from her that I can't just be working sixty seventy
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eighty hours a week, which was my natural inclination type
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a personality personality you can relate, I suspect, But she
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was that wonderful gang to my yang. She was that
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that keel that was keeping me stable. And I think
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your generation really started there.
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Oh that's such such a nice story. So how did
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it move on into your career? Because I know that
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you The last place you worked was cap Gemini, I believe, right,
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And so you moved on through some major companies and
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then decided to go into your own consulting practice, which
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I might add is very successful. So how'd you make
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those transitions?
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Yeah?
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And if I may just maybe step back slightly, sure,
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because you said in your introductions that I have had
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many transitions, many many pivots, many tax and part of
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it is my neurodiversity ADHD, and I have a number
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of clients like me that I think it's a little
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bit of fear of missing out, a little bit of
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oh shiny object, oh right, secret squirrels. And so those
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pivots really, I think have formed my character and also
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have created an amazingly rich life. So transitioning from systems
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engineer at IBM to then founding a company by being
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able to see around the corner and unbuddling IBM's technical
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training from ten million dollars mainframe sales, and that was
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hugely successful, and I got to apply my master's degree
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in adult learning theory and technology. Another transition that was
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very momentuous was realizing that as a as a lover
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of teaching and learning and then sharing what I learned
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and successful at that it was the first place where
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organizations would cut their budget. So as the training director
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of two different companies and getting laid off because it
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just wasn't building product, selling product, supporting customers. And so
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though I love teaching and I still teach sailing, and
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I certainly teach clients, and in my writing, I think
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of myself as as a teacher. It didn't put food
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on the table as a sole provider. So then becoming
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a program manager and bringing new technology, new disruptive technologies,
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and new business models together to create value and had
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the privilege of doing that at Boeing and at cap Gemini.
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And then there's this thing called agism. And I know
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you are finding in your own next chapter joy and
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a sense of adventure that I'm sixty three and I
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think of myself as still forty three, and yeah, I've.
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Chopped twenty years off of me too.
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Right, Yea, to me, it's not about calendar ad It's
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about it right, how I feel and what I can do.
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And the biggest thing I find is have to overcome fear.
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We can maybe talk about that.
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Yeah, let's talk about that in a moment. That's a
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great concept because I think we all function at a
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level of fear. And I'm just going to throw this in.
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You know, I've done radio shows before, as you well know,
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but I've been a while and I have a sense
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of fear that oh is it gonna go? Well? Is
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it all right? You know? All of that, So we'll tell.
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Okay, And it's completely natural.
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By the way, if you think that everybody else doesn't
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have imposter syndrome, every one of my clients and I've
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served over a thousand clients in my clinic at Sale University,
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to private clients, to myself, and how do you manage?
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How do you manage that? So the last pivot that
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really I think addresses your question is this pivot to
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coaching my wife after I got laid off with two
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hundred and fifty five other cap Gemini vps and directors
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at the time, it was very, very difficult for over.
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A year as a sole provider.
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But again, my wife, Margaret, coming up on thirty six
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years of marriage, she asked me, what do you want
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to be when you grow up? And frankly, I didn't know.
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And I had to find my core values, which are love,
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which includes family and community and compassion. So it's kind
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of an uber value adventure. I used to have challenge
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and then I was attracting far too many problems, so
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I changed it to adventure and I have far fewer
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issues and way more fun creating.
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And how did you make that change in your attitude?
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Well, part of my work with clients is to help
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them really reflect on who they are at their core.
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We all share across the globe, cross cultures, cross ages
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and ethnicities, you know, peace, family, health, But those are
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not sufficient. Excuse me, I get all choked up just
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talking about this. It's not sufficient on a Monday morning
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when really what you want to do is kind of
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stay under the covers and eat pizza. The idea of
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who am I now at this time? And the word
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challenge when I reflected in my journaling in the morning
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or when I was doing my Marshall Goldsmith Daily questions,
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did I do my best too?
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Dot dot dot.
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Live challenge? And I thought, yeah, I did so well
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that I attracted way too many issues. And so I'm
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going to reframe that into adventure. And I still have
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problems and issues, we all do, but that explorer mindset
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has been so game changing for me.
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That's so important, you know, reframing that problem mindset to
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explore mindset. I think people in our situation. I'm older
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than you, I'm not going to say much, but you know,
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changing that mindset to an explorer and an adventurer makes
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it so much more exciting. And problems and weight and
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I don't think that's easy for people. I mean, it
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sounds easy, but it's not easy do that.
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It was a muscle that I clearly had to strengthen
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because our identity is so indelibly part of us, either
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through how we were parented or society's expectations, the media right,
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and if I hadn't had that year of unemployment, which
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now I think it was a huge gift, I really.
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Do because it was. It did it.
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It forced me to confront what is it that I'm
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really wanting to do in the world.
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And when Margaret said what do you want to do
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when I grow up?
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I said, I really want to coach people, and not
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necessarily the traditional just ask questions kind of a coach,
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but that hybrid where a little bit of teaching, a
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lot of deep listening, doing formulation, getting to the root
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cause of somebody's challenges and opportunities. And then again, not
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everybody wants to have a coach. They what they want
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is the outcome. So it's not about me. It's not
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about the billable hours, it's not about creating a client
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for life. What it's about is can we do in
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ninety days or what can we do in thirty days,
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what can we what are the outcomes that people really want,
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and focus like a laser beam on that. That was
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the kind of coaching. So I brought a lot of
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how I led teams, you know, create an environment where
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teams can come and do their best and most creative work.
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And if they get blocked, which happens all the time,
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you know, using Eli Goldratch's theory of constraints, zero in
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on this constraint, like the Toyota production line where the
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assembly worker pulls the and on cord and stops the
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line and the red light spin and the sirens and
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the SWAT team comes.
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Out and helps. That was the approach that I.
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Was taking and I'm taking with clients so that they
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get really clear about who they are, what is their brand?
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In other words, how do they show up in the world,
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how do people see them? And if we don't manage
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our own brand, others are going to manage it on
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our behalf. And so living more consciously I think has
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been the biggest awakening that I had. And as a result,
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when I've aligned, you know who I am at this
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point in my life, and it does change I think
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over time. But once that the thoughts and the behaviors
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and the opportunities. It's easy then to say no, thank
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you for an ADHD neurodiverse person to say no of
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the hardest things to do. But with that, using the
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core values as a as a decision criteria has been
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game changing. And the other tool that I think has
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been very helpful I discovered thankfully with the Google algorithm.
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I saw a YouTube video about Ikey Guy, which is.
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A Japanese fascinating Yeah Japanese philosophy about your reason for
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being and if you are a student of the Blue zones,
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these are the yeah seven eight areas around the world,
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including Okinawa, Japan, where you've got fascinating per capita more
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centenarians than anywhere else in the world. One of the
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common traits is that they are living their passion. They
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feel in contribution to others and services to others. They're
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getting paid a reasonable amount, not too little, not too much,
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but goldilocks just right, and they have that sense of
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meaning and purpose what Simon Sinek calls are why and
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once those things are aligned, well, now you can just
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