March 17, 2026
The Seismic Shift In Leadership.
Learn the 7 seismic shifts in leadership and what you need to do to make sure you can shift and connect as a leader for impact. I will be talking with Dr Michelle Johnston on understanding these leadership shifts and how to make them. These shifts are critical to create connections with others to drive significant results. Learn what shifts you may need to make for future success.
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Good morning, Welcome to Next. I'm very excited to have
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the show, and thank you for tuning in. We have
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a good regular crowd that tunes into this to our shows.
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And the reason I started Next is because there's so
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many people doing it. Exciting things later in life or midlife,
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for even as young people, they're starting to think that
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they have a career in a certain direction and guess
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what they need to do something next. Today, I have
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a fabulous person with me, Michelle Johnson, doctor Michelle Johnson.
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She's a distinguished professor at Loyola University. She's won many awards,
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recently a Guru Leadership Guru Award, which is very prestigious
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and she just came out with her Next I guess
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it was in just recently the seismic shift in you.
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And with that, I'd love to introduce doctor Michelle Johnson. Michelle,
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thank you so much for being able to come on board.
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Don't you look cheery?
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I'm so happy to be with you.
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Linda.
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You're one of my favorite people, and you're really a
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trailblazer in the leadership community, and so I love when
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I get a chance to have a conversation with you.
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Well, and we're gonna are going to have a conversation
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this week weekend with our dear mentor who's turning seventy seven,
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Marshall Goldsmith, and we're going to be at his birthday.
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He doesn't look like see he's another perfect person as
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an example of next right, correct?
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I mean Marshall wrote this book with me. We were
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in London in twenty twenty three at the Thinkers fifty
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Award and all of the top thinkers and management leadership
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we're talking about how in the world are we going
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to compete in the leadership world with AI and every
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single speaker without collaboration, without knowing that each was talking
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about the same thing. They were saying, we have to
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lean in with more heart and humanity of what differentiates
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us as humans. And I looked over at Marshall. I said, Marshall,
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we've got to write a book about this. Will you
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be my co author? And he said yes? And that
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was a beautiful moment, because you're right, Linda, he didn't
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have to ease at the time. He was what seventy five.
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At seventy five, I would say yes.
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Yet not have to say yes.
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But he said next, Yeah, he said next. And here
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it was so interesting. And last year twenty five, I
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guess we were all in London at sixth Thinkers fifty
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and you were launching the book with marsh absouly right.
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So twenty twenty three in London at Thinkers fifty, I realized,
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holy smokes, this is another seismic shift. We've got to
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talk about it. No more command and control and just
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leading with directives and ego, like that's not working anymore.
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And so we agreed to write the book. I took
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a year from sabbat. I took a year sabbatical from
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Loyola to write book with Marshall. And then you and
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I met, We flew to London. We met in London.
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We read a fabulous airbnb we did.
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We had a blast.
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We had a blast, and we attended Thinkers fifty again
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and thankfully at that Thinker's fifty twenty twenty five, I
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had the opportunity to launch. That was my glow launch and.
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So it's great.
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It was fantastic we had I was pretty you were there.
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I was so proud to be there with you. It's
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just so exciting and everybody was so excited for you.
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And you know, think, here's fifty. Let's face it, it's
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a pretty great crowd. And here you think you're with
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everybody who's written books, myself included, and you think, oh,
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it's really going to be a stuffy thing. There's nothing
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stuffy about Thinkers. We had a ball.
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Because think about it, these are the people who are
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really comfortable with discomfort, because in order to grow, stay,
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in order to grow, you're going to be uncomfortable. I
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teach my MBA class on Monday nights and I took
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them on a connection walk last night because of daylights.
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Oh how cool, dude, tell us.
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Yes, So they're night classes. So our MBA program is
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for the working professionals. For our classes are from six
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twenty until nine oh five, And.
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Sounds like how I got my NBA.
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Yeah, exactly. So usually it's dark, right, but this Monday,
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it was no longer dark, and I said, we're going
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to take a connection walk. And we walked through the
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beautiful campus of Loyola and we're right across the street
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from a beautiful park, autubn Park. And I was sharing
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with them because I had just come back from this
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incredible weekend in Nashville with all these remarkable women. And
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it's called the Remarkable Women Award, and I was completely
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humbled and honored to have received the New Orleans Remarkable
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Woman Award. So they flew all of the one hundred
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and twenty five remarkable women in the market next. Our
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media puts it on every year, so I was representing
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ABC News, so they flew us all to Nashville. And
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the point in what I shared with my students last
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night and what I'll share with you all today is
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really so many times up until that point when I
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just get to celebrate with these remarkable women doing great
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things with growth, comes unbelievable discomfort. And you know, I
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was trying to talk with them last night, like you
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have beautiful gifts, all of you have beautiful gifts as humans,
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and figure out what those beautiful gifts are. And then
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when you feel that it's your time and you can
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really lean in and help others and have a platform
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and make an impact and make a difference, you will
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feel uncomfortable and yet push through it because it's worth it.
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And I feel like that's why Thinkers fifty is it's
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not stuffy at all, because these are all people so
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used to being uncomfortable because they're constantly growing and changing
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and leaning in and trying to make a difference and thinking.
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About their next and executing against it and figuring out
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how they can move into their next discomfort zone. Because
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that's really what it's all about, to tell you the truth.
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So so Michelle, tell me what give us the nutshell?
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And oh and by the way, congratulations on that award.
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I saw that. And you've been on Kate Snow's show too,
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haven't you.
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Yeah about again? So after we got back from London,
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you and I flew back home. You flew to North Carolina.
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I flew to New Orleans and then I did my
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big launch party. I did I threw a big connection
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event in New Orleans with about two hundred and twenty leaders,
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which was so much fun. And then I flew to
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New York for my media launch and I got to
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be on NBC News with Kate Snow And as a
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matter of fact, Linda right after you and I are
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going to be in New York this weekend. She asked
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me to be on her show again, which just means
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it validates what I'm seeing in the world. And you
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had asked about what am I seeing in the world
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right The seismic shift in you is we have to shift,
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and Marshall and I believe there are seven necessary shifts
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that will.
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First, let me give you a round of applause for
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how well you're doing on all of this. And I've
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been following all your your your stuff, and I'm just
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this is really impressive. You're doing a great job because
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I remember in that Airbnb when the launch started, you
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were leaning in. You were leaning in. So let's talk
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about the book.
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Well, thank you, thank you. That means so much coming
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from you. You understand what it's like, particularly as a woman,
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and to put yourself out there and to feel really
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passionate about something that it's worth it, and I thank you,
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I appreciate it, and yes, it is all so exciting
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and yeah, so the seismic shift in you is I
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realized that if we're going to make changes, I honestly
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thought this next book was going to be about the culture,
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like how to shift a culture so that it's a
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culture of connection not a culture of fear. That was
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my original premise until you and I were in London
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and I realized, no, it's not about looking and fixing
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a culture. The seismic shift has to start within. We
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all have the agency to make significant change right now,
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leaning into connection. I believe in all of the research
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supports me that better connection equals better results. So if
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you are listening right now, and whether you're a leader
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of your house, of little League, of your church, of
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a nonprofit, of a small business, or a global fortune
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five hundred company, you want to create an environment where
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your people feel motivated, where they feel engaged, where they're productive,
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because that all drives your bottom line, right, And the
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only way you're going to get those things is it
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starts with you. The seismic shift has to start with
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you right right.
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And you know the big piece of that is leadership
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starts with you. You can go to a brazilion classes,
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but it starts right in here.
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Correct. And here's the biggest shift that Marshall and I
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realized is one of the things, particularly in America, that
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we do really well is we do achievement well right right.
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We go go, go, go, go, go, go right, and
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sometimes at a very high cost to our physical, mental,
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and emotional health. And so what Marshall and I started
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seeing is that those leaders who only went after task, task, task, achievement, achievement, achievement, next, next, next,
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type promotion, they get to the very top and they say,
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oh wow, where are my most important relationships? I went
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after all of the what rather than the who. So
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the number one size point, the number one seismicshift we
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feel right now in twenty twenty six in the middle
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of all of the changes that are happening, is we
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have to shift our perspective from what.
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To who to who.
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Great point that's going to create this connection lens that
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is actually going to get you what you want. So,
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if you're trying to drive performance and drive financial results,
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it's going to take your people to do that right.
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And if you then show up as somebody a leader
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who cares about your people because you care about yourself first,
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and you have figured out how to have a more
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balanced life, how to focus on relationship and ships, had
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a scheduled time for your well being. Then all of
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a sudden, you're modeling the way and you're saying, you
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know what, I can't have a zoom at six am
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or even seven am because I've got to exercise and
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I want to take my kids to school because that's
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important to me. Those relationships are important to me with
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myself and with my family. And then when I show
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up at work, then I'm going to prioritize you because
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you matter. So it's focusing on the who rather than
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the what.
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Yeah, that's such a great that's such a great point.
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And I think a lot of people get stuck. They
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really get stuck at work in the task is what
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you're really saying, and really trying to achieve, achieve, achieve,
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rather than really thinking through what's really right for me,
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What are the right relationships that I need to have?
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How do I build those relationships? And you know a
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lot of people don't have the courage to think about
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how they make those shifts and what's I'm using next,
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what's next for them that's going to really build them emotionally,
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psychologically and build the connections that they really need to
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be happy and healthy.
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So I love the way you just articulated that, because
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the next rather than looking at the next at job, next, promotion,
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the next to do, the next task is to look
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at it. Yeah, what relationships can I focus on that
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will elevate me and will elevate my team and will
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elevate the company for our next So it really is
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a gift in perspective. Yeah, yeah, it's a.
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Totally different perspective. I do have a woman that I
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worked with. She had a very high powered job at GE,
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very high powered job. She was in finance, which are
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the high power jobs at G when it was high
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powered place, and she just said, this is not for
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me anymore. And she went and her next was a
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bed and breakfast and it says happen happy, Happy, And
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it was was really really interesting. Not to get out
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on Matt Michelle. But you have seven shifts in your book.
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shift in your perspective from what to who. The second
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