March 24, 2026
Why the Most Effective Leaders Aim High and Bounce Back.
There are always set backs in life and as a leader. But successful leaders learn how to bounce back. I will be talking with Fiona Macaulay who is all into leadership for social impact. She helps you rethink and rise up from failures. We will discuss how you bounce back to be your next best self.
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Hello, thank you for coming to next I'm excited. I
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hope you all have been listening to our shows. We've
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had some wonderful people on and we have a great
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guest today, Fiona McCauley. I can't say enough wonderful things
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about Fiona. Really has into social social impact. She's a
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professor at Georgetown University in Washington, d DC, a real
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advocate for women and has been you know, her entire life.
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She's written numerous books and actually has a new book
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out which we're going to be talking about, Aim High
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and bounce Back. And I love the title of the
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book because bounce back we all run into difficult situations
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as we're aiming high and how to figure out how
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to bounce back, and that's sort of the next how
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do you figure out your next for yourself? Leona is
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a CEO of Wild Women in Leadership Development, which is
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a great organization. They do lots of fabulous stuff. And
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with that, let me bring on Fiona McCauley.
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Hi, Linda Heyriona, Hey, it's great to be here with you.
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All right, So tell us about a bunch of stuff
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I want to talk to you about. But how did
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you get into this in the first place? Has such
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a great entrepreneurial background.
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I worked in the global development industry for twenty five years,
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and that's the industry which works towards access to clean
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water overseas, gender equity, access to healthcare, helping communities grow
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climate resistant agriculture. And what I saw, Linda, I had
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the privilege of working in about fifty different countries and
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worked with hundreds of different organizations. When I was able
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to peek into all those organizations, what I saw over
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and over again is that there was women professionals who
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wanted to move into positions of greater leadership so they
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could have more power and influence and have an even
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greater impact in the work that they were doing and
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supporting others to do. And that much of the time
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they were really doing the bulk of the work that
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they did not have that formal leadership position or authority.
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Oh yeah, right for two reasons.
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One structural because you know, the jobs were not good,
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the jobs were more likely to go to men. And
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still are Fiona well and still are you know, in
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global health eighty percent of the people who work in
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global health are women, but they only hold twenty percent
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of the leadership positions. Amazing statistic, right, the data speaks
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for itself. And so I started the WILD Network Women
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for Impactful Leadership Development to support purpose driven women around
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the globe, so across America, Canada, Mexico, Sub Saharan, Africa, Asia,
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Middle East, really women around the Europe, women around the
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globe to be able to be even more impactful leaders
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than they already are by curating content both to support
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organizations and industries to promote more inclusive leadership opportunities and
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also to support women to step into their full leadership potential.
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Wow, how many years has WILD been going on? A
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long time? I know, but how many years?
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Yeah?
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Well, we're coming up on a decade, so we'll be
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doing our ninth Leadership for Social Impact Forum, which is
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we do an in person conference in DC every year
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in May.
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I'm going, yeah, that's right.
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I'm so excited to have you there, Linda.
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And that's the thing that's what's so exciting I think
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about this community is that we have women like yourself
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who have been leading in the inclusive leadership space in
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the US for decades.
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Will have a.
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Lot of certified leadership coaches who come from across America
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to attend. We also have women coming from different parts
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of the globe who want to be there in person.
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And then we have people from across the Greater Washington,
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d C, Virginia, Maryland area who identify as being a
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purpose driven leader. Whether they're working for Coca Cola or
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working for Save the Children or working for the US government,
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if they're working for positive social change, they really belong
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in the wild network and we would love to have
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them there at the leaders for Social Impactful So.
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You do I mean just because you go to the forum,
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it's not over there. There is a lot of other
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things that go into that form. Actually, after you actually
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participate right, Fiona.
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Well, exactly, because as you and I both know, Linda,
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you know, being an impactful leader it really is a journey.
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I think most of us wake up every day wanting
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to be, you know, the best leader, the most supportive
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leader that we can be, and then things happen right where,
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you like, have time constraints, or somebody says something or
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write something to us that kind of like throws us off,
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and maybe we're more impatient than we wish we were,
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or we are not taking a calculated risk, but we
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want to be taking right. We're all working on our
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leadership skills all the time. The best leaders are and
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so we feel we know actually from the research that
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coming together being with other like minded people committed to
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leadership development inspires us and fuels us. And when we
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layer on leadership competencies, that helps us to kind of
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maintain and even you know, become stronger leaders. And the
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one day is really important. We also realize that people
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want to stay in community.
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Yes, absolutely, so.
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For example, you know, you and I have a wonderful
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friend and colleague, Morag Barrett, and every year she generously
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does a session one month after the leadership conference, does
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a session that's about how to take small steps towards
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ambitious goals, because you know how it is you go
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to a conference and you do leave with a notepad
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or a phone full of things you want to do,
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people you're going to follow up with, and then you know,
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you get, as I say, like to misquote Muhammad Ali,
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you get like punched in the face by the by
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your email inbox.
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Right, you don't get into all those things.
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And so what we do is we reconnect the community
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a month after the event to reconnect people to their
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goals and then break down, Okay, how can you take
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small steps towards these ambitious goals?
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Because I'm the kind of support we all need, right absolutely, well,
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we used to do, you know the thirty sixty ninety day,
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you know, follow up with people, because that happens with
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executives too.
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You know, you're in a company and you take people
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through these phenomenal leadership development, inspiring things, and then they
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go back into the same old workplace and it's gone.
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So you really do have to you really do need
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that follow up on a regular basis. But I want
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to I want to jump forward to your Santiago, your
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Camino walk, tell us about that. That's so, I'm so
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bummed I can't go this year, Linda.
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I'm looking forward to having you on the next chapter
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Accelerator and me in a walking retreat in twenty twenty seven,
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so we'll put it in the books.
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Absolutely.
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So I am.
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I'm now in solidly middle aged, like in my early fifties,
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and I went through a big transition when I sold
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my first social enterprise almost a decade ago, so in
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my mid forth had been I had founded this company
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in my mid twenties, and so for almost twenty years
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had been scaling a social enterprise, and I was ready
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to think new things and do new things, and spend
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time with new people, specifically focusing on boarding purpose driven
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women and their leadership journeys. And I was also interested
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in teaching and the leading business. So the time was
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right for me to sell that company. Up until the
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day that it sold, I had been busy being the CEO.
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I had been busy managing this confidential sale process, and
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I hadn't given much thought to what the next chapter
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would be, except for I knew I wanted to be
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doing those different things. And I remember the day after
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the sale went through, sitting on my couch being like,
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how do I do?
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You know?
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Oh? Mg o MG, And as someone who was used
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to having power and status comes from the you know,
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being the CEO of a successful, well regarded company. You know,
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no inbox, no speaking engagements, no pressing deadlines, and I
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think voicing what a lot of leaders in transition have experienced,
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though baby doesn't get set out.
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Loud very much. I think you're absolutely right.
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So, but what I learned through that journey of then
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making that transition to becoming an adjunct professor at Georgetown
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University's Business School also an entrepreneur presence there starting the
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wild network is that there was three things that you
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really need to make a successful transition and to enjoy it.
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One is community.
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It's lonely to try and like figure out all these
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options by yourself and and to go through.
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Such a change.
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So having a community of people who are also seeking
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to make this kind of change, or have made or
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are making this kind of change. The second thing is
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a process because in a way, the world is your oyster.
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You know, you've also spent several decades at that pot time,
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you know, building up your reputation and your skills and
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your network a process about how to leverage all of
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those things but at the same time not be trapped
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by them is really critical, essential, essential, and accountability. So
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when a friend and colleague of mine started the Next
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Chapter Accelerator two years ago, I had had that experience
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of transitioning as an entrepreneur. She'd had the transitioning of
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working for thirty years at Accenture and was that managing
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director when she left. She also faced kind of similar
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challenges and opportunities, and so we came together to develop
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the Next Chapter Accelerator and the main event that we do,
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we run it once a year is as a walking
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retreat on the Camino de Santiago, which is a historical
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pilgrimage trail, and we do we do a leg of
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that trail in northern Spain, which is our.
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Many leaders bucket list.
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So we can also do custom retreats, but the one
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that we do that's open is at the end of
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September early Offctober every year, and we're offering those things
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that I mentioned. So it's an incredible group of accomplished women,
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like ambitious, successful women who are I think fall into
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these different categategories.
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Yes, and you.
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Can tell me Linda, which one resonates with you. So
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it's women who are looking for the next big job,
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Like they're in a big job and they want one
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more big job probably before they down gear. It's women
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who are in a big job and they want to
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really take a fresh look at that so they can
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really leave their mark and have the greatest impact possible.
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So it's kind of rejuvenating your approach to your current
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big job. There's people who want to move into a
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portfolio career, so they want more control over their time
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a little bit like I was doing perhaps like I
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wanted to teach, I wanted to start this not for
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profit and were the people who want to have a
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very very active retirement. So they're probably moving into a
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position where they want to maybe sit on a couple
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of boards maybe, right.
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And so we have this.
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Do a radio show, you a radio show.
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So Linda, I'm curious, like, as I kind of talked
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about those people who are in transition, successful career women
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in transition, what like what transition would you say you
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had made?
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Truthfully, I mean I was doing fine up until the pandemic,
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because you know, I was a public speaker as you
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well know, and Morag and I wrote a book together,
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and so it was it was Thinker's fifty this year
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that you were at where Linda Gratton made a comment
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about how much longer we all were going to live,
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and you know, you need to think about what is
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it that you're going to be you know, is going
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to be exciting for you. And that's when I said,
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you know, I sort of moved into retirement. Just like
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Marshall who said he was going to retire, he hasn't retired.
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And I said, you know, I just have too much
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