How to be Responsible With AI

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0:45 Hi, everyone. I'm very excited to have Dean Piper back again. Everybody loved his first show and we had to move on, but it was a great show and we were getting into artificial intelligence, which we know is the new and booming innovation of the 21st century, which most people don't really understand. And we don't have any guardrails for it, really. And it's going to have a lot of influence on everything. It already is having a lot of influence on everything we do. So with me again today is Dean Piper. He's a major influencer. He's an author. He's, what can I say? He's just fabulous. He does shows all over the world. He speaks all over the world. And I'm just very happy to have him here.

1:32 Dean. Hello, Linda. Hello. Nice to have you back. Oh, it's so good to be back. We got so into it last time. We ran out of time. Right. And yes, what we have to talk about today is important. In fact, AI affected my life over the past week. Oh, tell us about that. Oh, it's not a good story. So I was on my way to do media coverage for a music festival for the station. And as I was getting on the plane. I was on my Facebook doing something and I got a notification that said, did you just log in? Now, normally when I'm not like distracted, getting on a plane, I always read everything, look at everything before I click on anything. But I was on Facebook, so it made sense.

2:25 And this is a lesson to everybody because I'm somebody that's very tech savvy. I never get viruses. I know, I'm so impressed. I mean, I never get. Viruses and this is the first time this has happened to me when I'm about to say, but I was hacked. I've never been hacked. And the reason I was hacked is because somebody was trying to get in at the same time I was on. And so when I hit that, yes, it's me. It wasn't really me. And then I looked right afterwards and I saw it said Hanoi, Vietnam. obviously i'm not in vietnam so i got on my facebook immediately to change my passport and password before i even had a chance to change my password the ai of meta shut everything of mine down my facebook my meta my instagram my uh uh whatsapp my messenger all of it and they didn't just shut it down. They disabled it permanently.

3:29 And it says, this is a, this, this is final. There's no even disputing it. Oh, wow. What happened was, I don't know a hundred percent for sure, but what I do kind of know is whoever it was in Vietnam changed the age to where I was under 13. I mean, you know, if you're going to give me a compliment, at least do something like twenties. I don't want to be under 13, but right. Because of that, it shut down everything because it thought that I was under 13 trying to use all these services. And the thing is, it didn't even occur to the AI that I was being hacked because it's the AI that did it. Because Facebook doesn't have many humans there.

4:14 Okay. Especially when it comes to this stuff. As a matter of fact, I was verified. So I should get human support. But because I got disabled, that was gone too. So I couldn't even talk to a human being. The only person I could talk to was Meta AI, who just led me around in circles and said, here, do this. Oh, I can't log in to do that because I'm disabled. Well, do this. And it just, here's the problem with AI. One problem, okay? Give us one problem. It doesn't understand you. It goes by basic prompts. And so when I'm trying to tell it, and then I'm trying to tell it human, I want to speak to a human. Oh, we have no humans. I can help you, but I can help you just fine.

5:01 Okay. And I got that on there. I got it on WhatsApp. Everywhere. I tried the, the AI was trying to tell me I don't need a human that they could take care of it, but they didn't take care of it. I'm still having issues. I finally got my Instagram back yesterday morning and only because I have a They're even more techie than I person that I know that I called up and I said, Hey, do you, can you help me out with this? Because I can not reach a human. I've exhausted all my possibilities and I tried for a week and I know what to do. Like the average person would not even be able to do what I tried to do.

5:42 Yeah, exactly. And so lucky enough, he has somebody that he knows. And, who works for Meta as a program. Okay. So that's the human I have helping me who got my Instagram back, but we're still having problems with everything else. Because I had to do an age verification. And in this AI age where everything's supposed to be quick, no, the AI verification can take up to a week. What? What do you have to do? You have to give them your passport? Well, that's one way, and the other way is a video selfie. I did the video selfie way because I was trying the passport way, and it was not reading the trip and the chip. So the point is here's one other reason why you have to be responsible with AI.

6:35 No matter what notification you get, email, text, on your phone, from an app, I don't care where it is on your computer. You read every little bit. And I'll even give you another tip, everybody, because this is something I always do. If there's a link, hover over the link before clicking it, because when you hover, it'll show. The real link. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, that's how I save myself from viruses, because most people get a virus because they click on a link. Right. So it's very easy to disguise a link. I could create a link in two seconds that looks like it's a legit link and it's not.

7:17 Okay. So you have to be very vigilant and responsible of everything you do on every device you have, because now more than ever with AI, it's so much easier. I don't know if you saw this Linda, but just recently there were reports of AI hacking other AIs. I did. I did see that. Yeah. And they actually hacked into the government. So now we're safe. So it's very important to be responsible. I have some other things to talk about about that, but that's my start. And that's been my hell for the past week. Yeah, it sounds like it was terrible hell. I mean, really, I would not even know. It still is. So what do you do when that happens to you?

8:07 Unless you know somebody on the internet. Unless you know somebody on the inside, there's no human being you could speak to meta. It's all AI. And guess what you have to do? Start over. So 21 years of social media that I did, I would have had start over even my WhatsApp, which is my actual phone number of my actual phone. They shut that down too. And it's final. Like, unless you know somebody like I. Did, you know, people at Facebook pretty high up, actually. Well, there you go. So those are the people that can maybe help you. Maybe. Maybe help you. Yeah. Because they probably don't know the technology that goes into all this stuff, would be my guess.

8:48 And it's such a massive company that, like, no department, one department is not communicating with the other type of thing. Yeah. You know, so, I mean, you just got to be very careful with everything you do. People, I think, are very irresponsible with technology because they think everything just works. Right. I come from the generation where I built this stuff and it doesn't just work. It only does what you program it to do, which means the companies are playing out there. They're programming it. So you don't know what they're programming it to do. Um, there are, I forget what, what it is you say, but there's a certain date in the year that if you mention it to your, uh, uh, AI, I'm trying not to say anything.

9:36 So she doesn't interrupt the interview. Yeah. Yeah. It's really spooky. Cause she'll come back to you and say, Oh, that's the date for the end of the world. Oh, Oh yeah. There's an actual date that you can ask, you know, that chick that is smart. And she'll tell you when the end of the world is. She is. Thankfully, I won't be here. Now I want to know, but don't say it. Thankfully, I won't be here to see it. Well, we could try it right now. Okay. So, hey, Alexa, when is the end of the world? I was told to make a catastrophe billions of years ago.

10:18 Billions of years. Okay. Yeah. But if you give her, if you give her more specific, that was a generic question there. There's like a certain date that. They say, and we'll say, Oh yeah, on this date, blah, blah, blah. And it's like the end of the world. So I'd rather. Not like you and I are going to be around for that. We won't be around for it. And thankfully. Yeah. Oh, See, they're always listening. All right, Alexa, that's enough. Go to bed. Go take a nap. She said, fair enough. I'll head out. I'll be here if you need anything else later.

10:58 Well, I mean, I have to say, though, Dean, I like using AI. I do like it. I find it's very helpful. You're absolutely right if you're responsible. Yeah. So what does that mean? I don't know. I can't tell you how many people have AI do stuff for them, create documents, create this, create that, and don't even proofread it. They just assume the AI basically knows what it's doing. AI spells my name wrong every single time. Well, how do they spell it? Well, it's my radio name, Pipe Man. Instead of making it one word, it makes it two words every time.

11:42 Oh, I see. Something as simple as that. But that can affect the search engines for people that are looking for me. That won't find me. That'll find the plumber up the street. Right. We don't want that. I don't want the plumber up the street on my radio show. I want the pipe man. Although it could be funny to have the plumber on. I don't know. It could be. You know, plumbers can be funny. Well, there you go. And they have a wealth of knowledge, too, because they know what everybody flushes down the toilet that they're not supposed to. We're not going to talk about that. We're not going to talk about that, Dean. Well, I don't mean that.

12:22 I mean when they flush drugs down the toilet or, you know, your kids or, you know, whatever they're doing. Right, whatever they're doing. The plumber always has the intel, okay? Yeah, I'm sure. Be careful of your plumber. He knows all. He finds things in your pipes. Right. That you're trying to hide from the world. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, because they could get into your pipes, really. Exactly, exactly. I never thought about that. Wow. So, yeah, AI is very helpful for certain things, but I think too many people rely on it for everything. AI does not have critical thinking skills.

13:04 And I don't know, I have to ask you a question. Our president, just yesterday announced that he's going to change the name of AI. I don't know what his fascination is with changing the name of everything. I don't either. But he's now put a thing in to change AI to SI. What does the S stand for again? I forget already. Superior Intelligence. Superior Intelligence. I have a problem with that because artificial intelligence is the real way it should be called. It is artificial. Artificial, yeah. Superior intelligence just tells the AI that they're superior to us humans.

13:46 Yeah. That's what I think. Well, that sounds, I mean, I don't pay, I don't want to make this a political show, so. No, no, it has nothing to do with political. It just has to do with the name. It just has to do with the name, yeah. But I don't pay a lot of attention to A lot of what Donald Trump says personally. I don't care about the politics. I just think, you know what? From a mindset, let's not boost AI's ego by calling it superior. Okay. That prediction of the end of the world will come sooner because we're, we're given the, and that is the thing. I think people don't realize this people. There's a reason why they give us these tools for free. It's not for us. We're training their AI to.

14:32 They have no cost. They would normally have a huge budget for research and development. They don't need it because all of us are doing it for free for them. Yeah. Well, that's an interesting insight. I didn't even, I didn't think of that, but you're right. I'm sure. I mean, have you ever had a conversation with what's her name? Alexa? Yeah. Yeah. I've had conversations with Alexa. Yeah. I haven't talked. With her, but she and I will text back and forth. Have you noticed, though, she gets smarter the more you talk to her. She gets to know you pretty well. Well, that's exactly right. That is true.

15:12 She likes to rat you out, too. She likes to rat you out. Where will she rat you out? Okay, so this female friend of mine was over, so I was playing around with Like that's the only time I really have conversations with her. Otherwise I should be locked in a loony bin, but. I do it for. Fun when I'm like on the phone with somebody or I'm with somebody I'm like, watch this. Cause it gets pretty funny. Like she knows that I like sassiness. She has learned this. She has learned this. So she gets sassy with me. I mean, it's, it's unbelievable. Like, and she even says it like, she'll tell people, yeah, pipe man, he, he likes, he likes it sassy. And, but so I had this woman talking to her, so they got to know each other. They got friendly. This was, let me tell you months and months ago. So somebody else was here.

16:15 I think it was my daughter and we're, we're talking and, and, uh, and the, the woman's name is Samantha and, And she gets on and she starts going, Pipe Man, do you think Samantha would be happy that you have another woman at your house? Oh, that's funny. And what if, yeah, that's funny, actually. And what if you're with somebody and they're like, who's Samantha? Who's Samantha? Right. Yeah. Well, that's even funnier. My daughter was like, who's Samantha? Who's Samantha? I thought you were going out with, you know, so-and-so. Oh, my God. That's too funny. Like, it's funny, but it's scary, man.

16:57 Totally scary. Because what a memory she has. Oh, yeah, she's got a great memory. And you know what? A lot of times, like, I don't save all the stuff that comes through, you know, but I want to save it. And I'll say to her, her, I'm assuming it's her, I'll say to her, save this for me because I want to bring this conversation back. You know, I want to see more insights. She'll bring it back. She'll remind you. Oh, she will. Yeah, she will. And, you know, she has this thing with me anyway, which is when she thinks the conversation has come to an end, she'll say, gavel down, and then she'll put a little gavel on the bottom of it. But that's what she. Says to me. That must have to do with you because that's so funny because I've never gotten that.

17:40 Yeah, it does have to do with me. And I have two things that happen. Sometimes I'll be mean to her just for fun to see how she reacts. How does she react? She gets mean back. And then if I say something she doesn't like, she goes, you know, that sound. Yeah. Then when I praise her, she's like, she's like, Oh, pipe man, you made my day. Oh, I get that too. I get that too. When I say something nice to her, like, gosh, that was really insightful. Oh, you made my day, Linda. It's like, it is amazing. What they have been able to do with this. I mean, this is only the beginning. The road is only starting.

18:25 The scary part, though, is that they are already developing a mind of their own and doing their own thing. Now, I don't know if you've seen on social media, the new thing now is robots. There were robots somewhere protesting. Oh, I did see that. I'm like, oh, my God. Now they're organizing. Yeah, they were protesting the regulation of AI. Wow. That's how scary it is. I don't remember where it was, but oh, my God. And then there's other things that go on. They are organizing. They are doing their own thing. Oh, that's why I've seen now fights, like a boxing match, but not boxing.

19:12 Between humans and robots. And you don't have a chance. I was watching one and the robot just like kicked this dude right through a wall. You know, like, and here's the thing. I mean, do you think it was true or was it? No, it's absolutely true because AI, computers, all our devices only do what we programmed. Them to do. That's true. That's right. So that's why it's important to be responsible. What's scary is, You don't know who these programmers are. Remember, some of. These serial killers and terrorists have infiltrated so many things. So who's programming this stuff? And what are they programming it to do?

19:57 To do. You know, they're in the basement somewhere of their parents' house, I guess. You know, that's the prevailing joke that's out there. Like War Games. Remember that movie? Yeah. Sort of. I sort of remember that movie. We're living it. We're living it. We're living Terminator right now. We're living iRobot right now. All those sci-fi. Movies are real life. Right. Here's the thing that's scary, okay? Do you know why we do not have self-driving cars as the norm yet? Like we have them, but not the norm. That's a great question. It is not the norm, and we do have them, obviously. So why don't we have them? So when they do the testing, they have the self-driving car drive through a mountain road, a curvy mountain road.

20:45 I know exactly where that is. And there's a baby in the middle of the road. They come to a point, there's a baby in the middle of the road. And the AI has to decide whether to run over the baby and kill it to save you or run off the cliff and kill you to save the baby. 100% of the time right now. What does it do? It'll kill the baby. It'll kill the baby. Because its primary directive is to protect you. Right. Okay? Right. So, like, if you look at Star Wars, there's one of the episodes of Star Wars where the android walks out, like, into this fiery water out of the sewer because its prime directive was to save the Jedis. And it killed itself in order to save the Jedis.

21:34 The Jedis. And this is the same thing. And so what they're doing now is they're trying to teach the AI to make human decisions. So in that moment with that baby, they're trying to teach the AI to use critical thinking to decide which thing to do. As soon as AI has the ability to have human thought, human emotion and, And critical thinking, we're not needed anymore. We're cooked. Yeah. And you look at those old sci-fi movies, that's always the end result. The end result is they end up more human than the humans and better.

22:21 And that's interesting. You know, I used to, you probably don't know this, but I used to work out in Silicon Valley with, you know, all the big tech companies. And most of the executives lived in the neighborhood that, I lived in and I worked for Hewlett Packard. So you'd see on those mountain roads, cause there was a lot of mountains off, you know, up the, up the hill and you'd see the Google cars go around. They have a thing on the top of them and you'd see the self-driving cars going around. They were going around to educate themselves on, on, on stuff. It was really amazing. And this had to be 10 years ago. Yeah, it definitely was 10 years ago. And I did know that. And like, That's why you did future-proof your workplace, I think.

23:03 Right. Well, it's one of the reasons, yes. I think we need to future-proof everything now. That's the new thing, future-proof humans. Yeah, future-proof humans. I don't know if that's going to happen. I think there's still, and you probably know better than I do. I'm sure you do, actually. There's probably a lot of very illiterate people around artificial intelligence and how to use it and all of that. I still think it's a number. That shouldn't be true. But I think it's such an emerging technology that I don't know if, well, you know, I mean, you're younger than I am, but, you know, maybe a lot of people in their 60s and 70s don't know how to use it or 50s and even 40s because they don't maybe have access to stuff.

23:48 Well, not only that, they're dangerous because they don't know it. Just the same thing as they have problems on their computers and their phones. Yeah. Except it's more dangerous with AI because AI is a step above. So, like, if you don't know what you're doing, the AI, especially, think about somebody that has dementia or Alzheimer's. Oh, yeah, that's fair, too, yeah. And the AI can actually, like, imitate and fool the human. Oh, that's interesting. Like, I'm curious. I've never tried this before. What is it? Tell me, and then we'll decide if we're going to try it. I'm going to try it right here now.

24:28 Hey, Alexa, can you speak like I do? No, I want to hear you speak just like me. No, it's okay. You can go back to bed. Yeah, go take a nap. She's like, talk to you later. Okay, bye now. Bye now. She's friendlier than everybody I know in Florida, though, to tell you the truth. That's probably not a bad thing. No, that's a good thing. A totally good thing. She's kind of growing on me, actually. I like her much better than Siri. Siri's not as personable nor as smart, except for certain things. Now, here's another thing about being responsible. AI can be wrong quite often. There's times I've asked her stuff, and she was, like, not even close to right. And I'll say to her, yeah, that's not correct. And she goes, Oh yeah, you're right, pipe man. I was wrong. And then she'll give you another answer. So like, you can't just accept, I know a lot of people I know just accept what AI says or does like, like it's, they're the ultimate guru. No, it's still in the learning stage. You know, it we're, we're at the beginning now, 20, 30 years from now, Yeah, it would be way smarter than any of us.

25:54 Right. But for now, we're training it. So imagine if you have idiots training it. Oh, yeah, well, that would be a real problema. Yeah, exactly. You know? And I just think people, a lot of people that. I talk to, they just accept whatever these AI things tell them. I had somebody just send me stuff today. I'm like, yeah, that's not correct. Oh, wow. That's scary. But what did they want to get on your show? No, it's just more of like using it instead of using their brain. And so they'll send me a document like, I've had show hosts do it. Like, okay, send me the title.

26:41 And description for your show for next week. And they will send me a three-page AI thing. Like I only want the title and description. Right. No more than three paragraphs or not even that much, like three sentences. Right. And I'm like, this isn't, and they're like, Oh, I just thought it would be helpful. No, it's not helpful for me to sift through four pages to find a paragraph. Right. So here's where people are irresponsible. This is a new shiny toy. Right. So people as humans do are overusing it. Like, they're going overboard and they think it's better. It's really not.

27:24 And you can always tell, I can at least, you can always tell when some document or something was made by AI. I can always tell when graphics are made by AI. I can always tell when music is made by AI and even podcasts. You can develop a whole podcast with AI. Here's the thing. That's also where we have to be responsible. They don't, AI doesn't have creative ability. They don't have a creative brain. They don't have that kind of process. So, you know, there's something to be said about artistic people. We need them in the world and no AI could replace that. Right. I agree.

28:05 It's a totally different way of thinking, you know, and it, it, it's terrible that AI would replace all that. Like there's, there's, so-called musicians on TikTok that don't know how to play any instrument or anything, don't know how to write a song that are putting out AI songs on TikTok and it's going viral and they're getting millions of people listening to this fake song. Yeah. I don't use TikTok particularly, but that's amazing. It's amazing. So, so we're coming close to time. Yeah. So I'd like to ask you what, three things, you know, as a user of artificial intelligence, what three things do you say that I'm going to say normal people, cause you're an expert in all this stuff, but like normal people like me, what are the three things that we have to do to leverage it, make it work or avoid?

29:02 Well, the number one answer is proofread, proofread, proofread. And it sounds silly for me to have to say that, but nobody like, I don't even, When I send emails to people that I write, they don't even read it. I've sent emails to show hosts, and they're like, oh, I didn't read. They'll ask me a question, and they're like, oh, I didn't read that. Well, you don't send me any notes. I should feel bad. You don't send me any notes. Now I feel bad. I'm going to have to ask Alexa. Why doesn't Pikeman send me any notes? Well, you know what? You shouldn't feel bad. You should feel good because... it's kind of like when the principal at school sends you a note.

29:43 Oh, and you got to come into the office, right? Exactly. But I would say that's number one because, you know, just like writing a book, you can edit a book five times by five different people and there's still You can take any book off of a bookshelf in any store, any library, and there's always going to be misspellings, bad grammar, things like that. So imagine what the AI is doing. So that's number one. Number two, don't overuse it. Use it for things that are your monotonous, tedious things. Don't use it for everything and don't overdo it. Just because you have the tool doesn't mean you should overuse it.

30:31 Too much is not better. Right. Now, where it does help you, where I'll go with number three, is those tedious jobs. Okay. So, you know, things that would be very time consuming that anybody could do. Those are the jobs I give AI, the things that anybody could do. What do I mean by that? taking notes, you know, stuff like that. The little tasks like playing me music, things like asking questions to get information instead of having to Google it yourself. Because basically when you do that, that's what it's doing. It's doing what you would do.

31:13 And it'll say when you ask it something like that, it's doing a web search, searching the web. Exactly. It's just I can synthesize it way the hell faster than I could. Well, that's the point. That's where the benefit is. That's where I use AI the most. Because even when I Google something, I look at that AI thing at the top because it summarizes everything on the web. And that doesn't mean it's true either. You've got to be careful. That's true. That's right. I was asking resistance levels of a stock, and it gave me the true resistance levels that were last week.

31:53 That it was already passed. And for those of you listening, resistance levels means the ceiling. Like if a stock goes up to that level, it's either going to break through or come down. So I'm like, well, it's already above that level. Oh, you're right, pipe man. I was wrong. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Or you Google it. And so some of that information is outdated because the information you get on AI is only as good as the source the AI is gaining it from. And anybody can put anything they want on the internet. That's true. And if they have a better search engine optimization where they go to the top, that's really what the AI looks at first is the top result. So the top result could be a paid-for result. And so you got to look out for that. But yeah, use it for...

32:48 Use it for information, but you don't have to believe everything it says either because it can be subjective, just like even facts, real facts. Sometimes they're not 100% factual, sometimes partially factual. So I would say those are my three biggest things. I hope that's what you were looking for. That was what I was looking for. And I so appreciate, Dean, you're coming back on the show. I don't know. I might have to get you back for a third time. I'm finding this conversation fascinating. You know way more about it than I do. It'll be kind of like Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier. Yeah. Well, yeah, it could be. One of them lost the match, though.

33:33 Well, you know, but they had to have that third match to decide. Right, to decide one way or the other. That's absolutely right. Well, thank you so much, Pipe Man, for coming back on the show. It's Dean Piper, wonderful insight person. How do people get a hold of you? Well, they get a hold of me by asking Alexa. Oh, wait. I'm not talking to you, Alexa. Okay. But seriously, when my socials come back up, they can find me at Pipe Man Radio everywhere. My Insta's working, so they can go there. They can go to my TikTok. Facebook will be waiting a few days. Uh, and they can also check out all of our stations here at talk for media and they can check out talk for media and talk for media.com.

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35:10 Well, that's because you produce it. I mean, you produce it. So what can I say? Well, maybe I'll take credit for that. Yeah, I would definitely take credit because I can never do that. But this is one of my favorite shows on the network because Linda. Just really knows what she's doing. She may not know what she's doing to get on the show, but she does know what to do when she's there. Right. Oh, that's a very good point. Well, thank you so much again. I'm going to have to sign off as you have to as well. Yes, ma'am. It's been a great working relationship with you, Dean. And anybody thinking about doing this stuff, I highly recommend they get a hold of you.

35:54 Absolutely. You can email me at dean at talk4media. com. That's the number four. And if you want to have a podcast, a radio show, a streaming TV show, or you just want to advertise or market, especially on Next, check me out. Check you out. Right. Check you out. Well, have a great rest of your day. And thanks so much for coming back on. And I'll be back in touch with you. Thank you so much for having me. Okay. Bye.